{"id":3429,"date":"2012-12-03T02:01:10","date_gmt":"2012-12-03T01:01:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/?p=3429"},"modified":"2012-12-03T02:01:10","modified_gmt":"2012-12-03T01:01:10","slug":"thoughts-about-cypherpunks-freedom-and-the-future-of-the-internet-assange-et-al","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/2012\/12\/thoughts-about-cypherpunks-freedom-and-the-future-of-the-internet-assange-et-al\/","title":{"rendered":"Thoughts about Cypherpunks: Freedom and the Future of the Internet (Assange et al)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p lang=\"en-US\"><a href=\"http:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/cypherpunks-Julian-Assange.pdf\">Cypherpunks: Freedom and the Future of the Internet<\/a> ebook pdf download free<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">u really shud <a href=\"http:\/\/www.orbooks.com\/catalog\/cypherpunks\/\">buy it<\/a> if u want to read it, just to support Wikileaks. its priced at 10$ for a DRM-free PDF.<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cryptome.org\/2012\/11\/cypherpunks-ffi.htm\">heres another review<\/a><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">the summary is that its a rather short book, 170ish pages, which is based on a four way conversation between Julian Assange and three other interesting and influential computer ppl. it contains a lot of rather dystopian information about the future and present of surveillance. apparently, there is a lot more of it than i thought. certainly this gave me som more ideas that i will discuss with the pirate parties.<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><strong>some quotes and comments<\/strong><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">A 120-strong US Pentagon team called the WikiLeaks Task <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Force, or WTF, was set up ahead of the release of the Iraq War Logs <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">and Cablegate, dedicated to \u201ctaking action\u201d against WikiLeaks. Simi-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">lar publicly declared task forces in the FBI, the CIA and the US State <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Department are also still in operation.19<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">hilarious accidental use of internet slang? :D<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">&#8211;<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">The Obama administration warned federal employees that mate-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">rials released by WikiLeaks remained classified\u2014even though they <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">were being published by some of the world\u2019s leading news organiza-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">tions including the New York Times and the Guardian. Employees were <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">told that accessing the material, whether on WikiLeaks.org or in the <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">New York Times, would amount to a security violation.21<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\"> Government agencies such as the Library of Congress, the Commerce Department <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">and the US military blocked access to WikiLeaks materials over their <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">networks. The ban was not limited to the public sector. Employees from <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">the US government warned academic institutions that students hop-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">ing to pursue a career in public service should stay clear of material <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">released by WikiLeaks in their research and in their online activity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">wtf<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">&#8211;<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">JULIAN: Andy, for years you\u2019ve designed cryptographic telephones. <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">What sort of mass surveillance is occurring in relation to telecommu-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">nications? Tell me what is the state of the art as far as the government <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">intelligence\/bulk-surveillance industry is concerned?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">ANDY: Mass storage\u2014meaning storing all telecommunication, all voice <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">calls, all traffic data, any way groups consume the Short Message Service <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">(SMS), but also internet connections, in some situations at least limited <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">to email. If you compare the military budget to the cost of surveillance <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">and the cost of cyber warriors, normal weapon systems cost a lot of <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">money. Cyber warriors or mass surveillance are super-cheap compared <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">to just one aircraft. One military aircraft costs you between\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">JULIAN: Around a hundred million.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">ANDY: And storage gets cheaper every year. Actually, we made some <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">calculations in the Chaos Computer Club: you get decent voice-quality <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">storage of all German telephone calls in a year for about 30 million <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">euros including administrative overheads, so the pure storage is about <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">8 million euros.42<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">scary. it gets more scary when u think about the fact that most systems that i use to communicate with are american owned: skype, facebook, google. perhaps i shud get srs about this encryption thing. sooner rather than later.<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">&#8211;<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">JACOB: We can also tie this back to John Gilmore. One of John <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Gilmore\u2019s lawsuits about his ability to travel anonymously in the <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">United States resulted in the court literally saying, \u201cLook, we\u2019re <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">going to consult with the law, which is secret. We will read it and <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">we will find out when we read this secret law whether or not you <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">are allowed to do the thing that you are allowed to do.\u201d And they <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">found when they read the secret law that, in fact, he was allowed <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">to do it, because what the secret law said did not restrict him. He <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">never learned what the secret law was at all and later they changed <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">the US Transportation Security Administration and Department <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">of Homeland Security policies in response to him winning his law-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">suit, because it turns out the secret law was not restrictive enough <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">in this way.115<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">dafuq. the reference is:<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Jacob is referring to Gilmore v. Gonzales, 435 F.3d 1125 (9th Cir. <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">2006). John Gilmore, an original cypherpunk, took a case as far as the <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">US Supreme Court to disclose the contents of a secret law\u2014a Security <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Directive\u2014restricting citizens\u2019 rights to travel on an airplane without <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">identification. Besides challenging the constitutionality of such a provi-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">sion, Gilmore was challenging the fact that the provision itself was secret <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">and could not be disclosed, even though it has binding effects on US <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">citizens. The court consulted the Security Directive in camera, and ruled <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">against Gilmore on the Directive\u2019s constitutionality. The contents of the <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">law were, however, never disclosed during the course of the proceedings. <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">See Gilmore v Gonzales at PapersPlease.org: http:\/\/papersplease.org\/<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">gilmore\/facts.html (accessed October 22, 2012).<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">&#8211;<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">ANDY: I totally agree that we need to ensure that the internet is <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">understood as a universal network with free flow of information; <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">that we need to not only define that very well, but also to name those <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">companies and those service providers who provide something they <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">call internet which is actually something totally different. But I think <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">we have not answered the key question beyond this filtering thing. <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">I want to give you an example of what I think we need to answer. <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Some years ago, about ten years ago, we protested against Siemens <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">providing so-called smart filter software. Siemens is one of the big-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">gest telcos in Germany and a provider of intelligence software. And <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">they actually sold this filtering system to companies so that, for exam-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">ple, employees couldn\u2019t look at the site of the trade unions to inform <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">themselves of their labor rights and so on. But they also blocked the <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Chaos Computer Club site which made us upset. They designated <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">it as \u201ccriminal content\u201d or something, for which we brought legal <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">action. But at an exhibition we decided to have a huge protest meet-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">ing and to surround Siemens\u2019 booths and filter the people coming <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">in and out. The funny thing was that we announced it on our site <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">to attract as many people as possible through the internet, and the <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">people in the Siemens booth had no fucking clue because they also <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">used the filter software so they couldn\u2019t read the warning that was <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">obviously out there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">hah!<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">&#8211;<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">JULIAN: The Pentagon set up a filtering system so that any email sent <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">to the Pentagon with the word WikiLeaks in it would be filtered. And <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">so in the case of Bradley Manning, the prosecution, in attempting to <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">prosecute the case, of course, was mailing people outside the mili-<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">tary about \u201cWikiLeaks,\u201d but they never saw the replies because they <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">had the word \u201cWikiLeaks\u201d in them.118 The national security state <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">may eat itself yet.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">oh god retards<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">&#8211;<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">J\u00c9R\u00c9MIE: This debate about full disclosure makes me think of the <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">group known as LulzSec, who released 70 million records from <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Sony\u2014all the users\u2019 data from Sony\u2014and you could see all the <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">addresses, email addresses and passwords. I think there were even <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">credit card details from 70 million users. As a fundamental rights <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">activist I thought, \u201cWow, there is something wrong here if to prove <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">your point or to have fun you disclose people\u2019s personal data.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">I was very uncomfortable with seeing people\u2019s email addresses on <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">the record. In a way, I thought those people were having fun with <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">computer security, and what they were demonstrating is that a <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">company as notorious and powerful as Sony wasn\u2019t able to keep its <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">users\u2019 secrets secret, and having those 70 million users search in <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">a search engine for their email address or for their name and find <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">this record would make them instantly realize, \u201cOh wow, what did <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">I do when I disclosed this data to Sony? What does it mean to give <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">personal data to a company?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">JACOB: Then they shoot the messenger.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">interesting angle on the LulzSec disclosure<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">&#8211;<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n<p lang=\"en-US\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Cypherpunks: Freedom and the Future of the Internet ebook pdf download free u really shud buy it if u want to read it, just to support Wikileaks. its priced at 10$ for a DRM-free PDF. heres another review the summary is that its a rather short book, 170ish pages, which is based on a four [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":17,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1451,1925],"tags":[1916,1936],"class_list":["post-3429","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-copyright-and-filesharing","category-government-form","tag-free-speech","tag-surveillance","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3429","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/17"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3429"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3429\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3431,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3429\/revisions\/3431"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3429"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3429"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3429"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}