{"id":4174,"date":"2014-03-26T14:24:17","date_gmt":"2014-03-26T13:24:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/?p=4174"},"modified":"2014-10-09T18:21:05","modified_gmt":"2014-10-09T17:21:05","slug":"venice-wants-to-be-independent-analysis-of-possible-outcomes-given-self-selection-of-the-voting-population","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/2014\/03\/venice-wants-to-be-independent-analysis-of-possible-outcomes-given-self-selection-of-the-voting-population\/","title":{"rendered":"Venice wants to be independent: analysis of possible outcomes given self-selection of the voting population"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/international\/archive\/2014\/03\/europes-latest-secession-movement-venice\/284562\/<\/p>\n<p>Venice seems to be tired of Italy. It&#8217;s a bad economic trade off for them. They want to return to <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Republic_of_Venice\">their former glory<\/a>. Good! We need more power decentralization.<\/p>\n<p>There was a vote:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Last week, in a move overshadowed by the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/international\/archive\/2014\/03\/uk-to-russia-crimea-isnt-scotland\/284455\/\">international outcry<\/a> over Russia&#8217;s annexation of Crimea,<a href=\"http:\/\/www.plebiscito.eu\"> Plebiscito.eu<\/a>, an organization representing\u00a0a coalition of Venetian nationalist groups, held an unofficial referendum on breaking with Rome. Voters were first asked\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.liberoquotidiano.it\/news\/italia\/11571590\/Veneto--parte-il-referendum-per.html\">the main question<\/a>\u2014&#8221;Do you want Veneto to become an independent and sovereign federal republic?&#8221;\u2014followed by three sub-questions on membership in the European Union, NATO, and the eurozone. The region&#8217;s 3.7 million eligible voters used a unique digital ID number to cast ballots online, and organizers estimate that more than 2 million voters ultimately participated in the poll.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">On Friday night, people waving red-and-gold flags emblazoned with the Lion of St. Mark filled the square of Treviso, a city in the Veneto region, as the referendum&#8217;s organizers\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/corrieredelveneto.corriere.it\/veneto\/notizie\/politica\/2014\/21-marzo-2014\/referendum-19-milioni-votanti-questa-sera-tutti-piazza-treviso-2224246432447.shtml\">announced the results<\/a>: 2,102,969 votes in favor of independence\u2014a whopping 89 percent of all ballots cast\u2014to 257,266 votes against.\u00a0Venetians also said\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/corrieredelveneto.corriere.it\/veneto\/notizie\/politica\/2014\/21-marzo-2014\/referendum-19-milioni-votanti-questa-sera-tutti-piazza-treviso-2224246432447.shtml\">yes to joining NATO, the EU, and the eurozone<\/a>. The overwhelming victory surprised even ardent supporters of the initiative, as most polls before the referendum estimated only about\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/worldnews\/europe\/italy\/10708733\/President-of-Veneto-joins-campaign-for-Venetian-independence-from-Italy.html\">65 percent of the region&#8217;s voters supported independence<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Someone in the comments makes the following argument:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">I don&#8217;t understand why it&#8217;s so surprising that 89% of respondents in an online, unofficial poll organized by Venetian nationalist groups voted that way. As a proportion of all eligible voters, that comes out to 55-60%, much closer to what you&#8217;d expect from neutral sampling.<br \/>\nSelf-selection bias is a huge problem with online polling, and I expect that given the methodology of the referendum, that would explain a large part of the discrepancy between the predicted and observed outcomes.<\/p>\n<p>My response:<\/p>\n<p>You are assuming that the entire set of nonvoting citizens would be against it. While there is likely some self-selection, it is NOT likely to be 100%.<\/p>\n<p>I did the math for every 10% incremental. If everybody voted either &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221;, then the total outcome range is [56.84%-93.05%], a clear majority in any case.<\/p>\n<p>Even given a very strong self-selection effect such that nonvoters are 70% against, the outcome is 67.7% &#8220;yes&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>I did the math, and it is here: https:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheet\/ccc?key=0AoYWmgpqFzdsdDZUSWhOOEctRnFhakVLUjFsbFpWUHc#gid=0<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the takeaway. Venice wants to be independent and it is not a narrow decision, even assuming implausible self-selection.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/venice.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-4175\" title=\"venice\" src=\"http:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/venice.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"483\" height=\"336\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/international\/archive\/2014\/03\/europes-latest-secession-movement-venice\/284562\/ Venice seems to be tired of Italy. It&#8217;s a bad economic trade off for them. They want to return to their former glory. Good! We need more power decentralization. There was a vote: Last week, in a move overshadowed by the international outcry over Russia&#8217;s annexation of Crimea, Plebiscito.eu, an organization representing\u00a0a coalition of [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":17,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1946,17],"tags":[2000],"class_list":["post-4174","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-political-science","category-politik","tag-independence","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4174","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/17"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4174"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4174\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4346,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4174\/revisions\/4346"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4174"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4174"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emilkirkegaard.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4174"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}